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                    <text>September 9, 1966
Mr . Mack A . Moore
670 Edgewater Trail, N. W.
Atlanta, Georgia
Dear Mr. Mo-0re :
This will aclmowledge receipt of your letter
making s_everal suggestions regarding the
Atlanta Fire Department.
1 appt'eciate your taking the ,time to write m.e.
Sincerely yours,
Ivan Allen, Jr.
M ayor
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September 9, 1966

Mr. Mack A. Moore

670 Edgewater Trail, N. W.
Atlanta, Georgia

Dear Mr. Moore:

This will acknowledge receipt of your letter
making several suggestions regarding the
Atlanta Fire Department.

I appreciate your taking the time to write me,

Sincerely yours,

Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor

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                    <text>GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF T E CH NO LOGY
ATLANTA , GEORG I A 30332
oFF 1cE o F THE PRE s 10ENT
September 8, 1966
The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor of Atlanta
City Hall
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
Dear Ivan:
Thank you for your kind words in behalf of my efforts
to serve as mediator between the firemen and the City.
I
was pleased to have an opportunity to what I hoped might
repay the City in part for its many contributions to Tech,
and you for your friendship and service to the institution
and the Alumni Association.
There are no fees or expenses involved.
Mr. Claude A.
Petty , Vice President and General Manager of the Atlanta
Merchandise Mart , made arrangements for the meeting room in
which the hearing was held and provided coffee and coca colas.
He also made available guid es and extra service as sistants
in setting up a nd removing the tables and public address
systems, one o f ~hich he fur nished without cost.
The stenographer who took down and transcribed the
entire hearing was Mr . Fr ed Burrell, who did an excellent
job.
I believe that a note of thanks to Mr. Pett y and possibly
to Mr . Burrell is all that would be re quired.
One requirement as expressed in the Al dermanic Board's
resolution was that copies of my report were to be made available to the Ci ty and to the firemen.
I did not furnis h the
several hundred copies that would have been required for
complete distribution and you might perhaps consider having
it done by the Mayor's office.
My most sincere th a n ks to you for your very kind words.
Since re ly yours ,
Ed~in D. Harrison
President
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              <text>GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY

ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30332

OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT September 8, 1966

The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor of Atlanta

City Hall

Atlanta, Georgia 30303

Dear Ivan:

Thank you for your kind words in behalf of my efforts
to serve as mediator between the firemen and the City. I
was pleased to have an opportunity to what I hoped might
repay the City in part for its many contributions to Tech,
and you for your friendship and service to the institution
and the Alumni Association,

There are no fees or expenses involved. Mr. Claude A,
Petty, Vice President and General Manager of the Atlanta
Merchandise Mart, made arrangements for the meeting room in
which the hearing was held and provided coffee and coca colas.
He also made available guides and extra service assistants
in setting up and removing the tables and public address
systems, one of which he furnished without cost.

The stenographer who took down and transcribed the
entire hearing was Mr. Fred Burrell, who did an excellent
job. I believe that a note of thanks to Mr. Petty and possibly
to Mr. Burrell is all that would be required.

One requirement as expressed in the Aldermanic Board's
resolution was that copies of my report were to be made avail-
able to the City and to the firemen. I did not furnish the
several hundred copies that would have been required for
complete distribution and you might perhaps consider having
it done by the Mayor's office.

My most sincere thanks to you for your very kind words,
Sincerely yours,
S-
CL
Edwin D. Harrison

President

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                    <text>September 9, 1966
Mr . Claude A . P e tty
Vice President &amp; General Manage r
Atlanta Merchandise Mart
Atlanta , Georgia
Dear Mr . Petty:
On behalf of the City of Atlanta I would like to
express grateful appreciation for your having
arranged the meeting room in which the hearings
wex-e held by Dl'. Edwin Harl'ison. He told me
0£ your genero ity, particularly of the added
assistance you ,:endered him.
We a.re most gra.teJ'ul for your cont-ribution to
the city.
Sincerely yolll!'s,
Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor
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S eptember 9 t 1966

Mr. Claude A. Petty

Vice President &amp; General Manager
Atlanta Merchandise Mart

Atlanta, Georgia

Dear Mr. Petty:

On behalf of the City of Atlanta I would like to
express grateful appreciation for your having
arranged the meeting room in which the hearings
were held by Dr. Edwin Harrison. He told me

of your generosity, particularly of the added
assistance you rendered him.

We are most grateful for your contribution to
the city.

Sincerely yours,

Ivan Alien, Jr.
Mayor

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Septe-mber 12, 1966
Mr. Fred Burrell
Fulton County Court House
Atlanta, Georgia
Dear Mr. Burrell:
I am most grateful for your assisting
Dr. Harrison during the recent hearings
for the Fire Department when you
transsribed the proceedings.
M ay I officially express our appreciation
for this fine service.
Sincerely yours,
Ivan Allen, J7.
M ayor
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September 12, 1966

Mr. Fred Burrell

Fulton County Court House
Atlanta, Georgia

Dear Mr. Burrell:

iam most grateful for your assisting
Dr. Harrison during the recent hearings
for the Fire Department when you
transsribed the proceedings.

May I officially express our appreciation
for this fine service.

Sincerely yours,

Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor

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                    <text>STATEMENT B Y :
Jam.es o. Moore, P resident
Atlanta, Georgia L bor Council, AFL-C1O
June
9. 1966
arly pa.rt of this year, the Atlanta, Q orgia. Labor Council,
The
AFL -CIO went on record of supporting the F irefighters Local Union ff 134,
AFL -CIO in their request to city officials in seeking
and time nd a half-time for overtime.
56 hour work wee
The local utlion did receive the
time ~nd a half-tim.e fox- overtime, but did not receive the aborter wor week.
We did, and till think that the firemen are deserving of this relief,
believ that the city could have found a remedy for this situation.
tbi · tiid not ha.pp n, but
for the ye • 1967.
t · everal yeare , the city has con
d bae al
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hown · ood faith.
The Fir fighter Local Union #134 cho e to
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However,
as promi ed that it would be iven fir · t con i deration
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recognised th AFL -CIO,
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bide by tbb decision.
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              <text>STATEMENT BY:

James ©. Moore, President

Atlanta, Georgia Labor Council, AFL-CIO
June 9, 1966

The early part of this year, the Atlanta, Georgia Laber Council,
AFL-CIO went on record of supporting the Firefighters Local Union # 134,
AFL-CIO in their request to city officials in seeking a 56 hour work week
and time and a half-time for overtime, The local union did receive the
time and a half-time for overtime, but did not receive the shorter work week.
We did, and still think that the firemen are deserving of this relief, and
believe that the city could have found a remedy for this situation. However,
this ilid not happen, but was promised that it would be given first consideration
for the year 1967. During the past several years, the city has consistently
recognised the AFL-CIO, and has always shown good faith.

The Firefighters Local Union #134 chose to abide by this decision.
This is what brought about the split in the firefighters union,

We want to make it clear that the 98 other local unions affiliated
with the Atlanta, Georgia Labor Council, AFL-CIO do not subscribe nor
condone the action of the so-called "Firefighters Independent Union".

We also commend the membership of the Firefighters Local Union
#134 for not only remaining on their jobs, but during off hours, remaining on
duty to see that the fire stations were properly staffed to protect the lives and
property of the citizens of Atlanta. . of which, our membership composed of
40,000 members, is also a vital part of our great city.

I further state that on Tuesday night, June 7th, Firefighters Local
Union 134, AFL-CIO dispensed with their regularly scheduled meeting to

 

 

 
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                    <text>M EET S
ATLANTA GEORGIA
LABOR COUNCIL AFL-CIO
AFFILIATED WITH
AMERICAN FEDERATION OP' LABOR ·
CONGRESS OP' INDUSTRIAL
ORGANIZATIONS
AND
SECOND AND FOURTH WEDNESDAYS
LABOR TEMPLE
250 TENTH STREET. N. E.
876-3096
J . 0. (JIM) MOORE, PRESIDENT
R. J. BUTLER, SECRETARY
GEORGIA STAT!: AFL-CIO
~
FINANCIAL SECRETARY-TREASURER
VICE-PRESIDENTS
M ARTH A TRU E
HARRY B E XLEY
W.
G. B, CAUDELLE
MELVIN GRANTHAM
HERB GR EEN
LUCILLE GUTHAS
W. W. HUDSON
F , H . KING
FRA NK LESLEY
STEVE C . MCGARITY
J.
A , B R OOKS
CHAIRM AN
W.
HALEY
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JOHN B , NIX
ROY NORTON
R , B . RANDALL
C , L, SNEE D
J . C, WHITLEY
\\
SERGEANT-AT-ARMS
FRANK C ,
GULLATTE
COUNSEL
J , L , COOPER
RUBY JOHNSON
F I NANCE COM M ITTEE
250 TENTH STREET,
N.
E,
ATLANTA,GA.3O3O9
GRA C E A L VAREZ
O M A B ARTON
BEATRICE HENDER SON
J une 9, 1966
Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr .
Ma yor
City of At lanta
City Ha l l
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
Dear May or Allen:
The Atlanta Ge orgia Labor Counc il, AFL-CIO, at regular
meeting on June 8, 1966, went on record to reaffirm
our position in support of the International Assoc iation of Fire Fighters Local No. 134, and as a voice of
Organized Labor in g re a ter Atlanta, to make our posi t ion
clear. The Fire Fig ht er s Local No. 134 , is t he only
organization recognized by the Atlanta Labor Council, AFLCIO, re p resenting Firemen in the Ci ty of Atlanta. The soc a lle d ind e p end ent union has no aff il i ation wit h the Atlan ta
La bor Council , AFL- CIO o r a ny other segment of the AFL - CIO .
We are in co mplet e s y mpat hy, and s u pport the res olutions
s u b mit t ed b y t he International Fire Fighters Local Union
No . 134, t o t he City of At la nt a Alder manic Boar d, r e questing be tter workin g conditions and more pa y f or t h e
At l anta Firemen , however , we wis h t o make clear that we
will not condone this ra sh, irresponsib l e action of this
so-called independent union.
The officials of the City of Atlanta are not without some
blame for this emergency. Had they been sincerely interested in the problems of the Firemen, which were presented to
them several months ago, they would have taken some positive
action and made some concrete proposal to remedy some of
these problems, however, they only saw fit to use the oldest
"dodge", a politician has at his disposal, "I-' 11 give it
due consideration".
�June 9, 1966
The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.
We are a loss to understand why you have n ot seen
f i t to recognize, t hrough th e news media, the fact that
the International Associatibn of Fire Fighte r s Local No.
134, has been representing the Firemen of the Cit y of
Atlant a f or about forty years and duri n g this per io d of
emergency, the faithful members of Local No. 134 are working
around the clock to man th e fire stations in our c ity , with
the prime c ons id eration being the protecti on of the pro p erty
of the citizens of Atlanta.
The Atlanta Geo r gia Labor Council, AFL-CIO is available
at any time to assist in any way you may deem necessary in
this matter .
With best wishes and kindest pe rs onal regards, I am
~
e r , Se c reta r y
an t a Geo rg i a La bo r
Council, AFL-C I O
RJ B/ fw
ope iu 21 af l cio
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              <text>MEETS

Gidea cise Eacehivon oe LABoR- ATLANTA GEO RGIA SECOND AND FOURTH WEDNESDAYS

LABOR TEMPLE

SM GRenMTeATION® LABOR COUNCIL AFL-CIO 250 Tenth STREET. N. E

AND
GEORGIA STATE AFL-CIO

J. ©. (JIM) MOORE, PRESIDENT
R. J. BUTLER, SECRETARY E18

FINANCIAL SECRETARY-TREASURER
MARTHA TRUE

VICE-PRESIDENTS

 

HARRY BEXLEY w. W. HALEY JOHN B. NIX
G. B. CAUDELLE w. W. HUDSON ROY NORTON SERGEANT-AT-ARMS
MELVIN GRANTHAM  F. H. KING R. B. RANDALL
HERB GREEN FRANK LESLEY c. L. SNEED FRANK C. GULLATTE
LUCILLE GUTHAS STEVE C. MCGARITY J. C. WHITLEY eeuteaie.
TEES w. E. BUCKNER
ee HARRY BEXLEY
J. A. BROOKS J. L. COOPER
CHAIRMAN RUBY JOHNSON FINANCE COMMITTEE
250 TENTH STREET, N. E. GRACE ane
OMA BAR
ATLANTA, GA. 30309 BEATRICE HENDERSON

June 9, 1966

Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor

City of Atlanta

City Hall

Atlanta, Georgia 30303

Dear Mayor Allen:

The Atlanta Georgia Labor Council, AFL-CIO, at regular
meeting on June 8, 1966, went on record to reaffirm

our position in support of the International Associa-

tion of Fire Fighters Local No. 134, and as a voice of
Organized Labor in greater Atlanta, to make our position
clear. The Fire Fighters Local No. 134, is the only
organization recognized by the Atlanta Labor Council, AFL-
CIO, representing Firemen in the City of Atlanta. The so-
called independent union has no affiliation with the Atlanta
Labor Council, AFL-CIO or any other segment of the AFL-CIO.

We are in complete sympathy, and support the resolutions
submitted by the International Fire Fighters Local Union
No. 134, to the City of Atlanta Aldermanic Board, re-
questing better working conditions and more pay for the
Atlanta Firemen, however, we wish to make clear that we
will not condone this rash, irresponsible action of this
so-called independent union.

The officials of the City of Atlanta are not without some
blame for this emergency. Had they been sincerely interest-
ed in the problems of the Firemen, which were presented to
them several months ago, they would have taken some positive
action and made some concrete proposal to remedy some of
these problems, however, they only saw fit to use the oldest
"dodge", a politician has at his disposal, "I'll give it

due consideration",
June 9, 1966
The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.

We are a loss to understand why you have not seen

fit to recognize, through the news media, the fact that

the International Association of Fire Fighters Local No.
134, has been representing the Firemen of the City of
Atlanta for about forty years and during this period of
emergency, the faithful members of Local No. 134 are working
around the clock to man the fire stations in our city, with
the prime consideration being the protection of the property
of the citizens of Atlanta.

The Atlanta Georgia Labor Council, AFL-CIO is available
at any time to assist in any way you may deem necessary in

this matter.

With best wishes and kindest personal regards, I am

     

er, Secretary
anta Georgia Labor
Council, AFL-CIO

RJB/fw
opeiu 21 afl cio
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                    <text>June 10, 1966
Mr. R . J . Butler, Sec reta~y
Atlanta Georgia Labor Council , AFL-CIO
250 Tenth Street, N . E.
Atlanta , Georgia
Dear Mr . Butler :
Thank you for your letter of June 9th, and I joi n with you in
expressing appreciation to Firefight rs local union #134 and
to the loyalty of theii- men who maintained fire service for the
people of Atlanta.
I have repeatedly recognized the International Association of
Firefighters Local # 134 in the news media, and will continue
to express appreciation to them.
Sometimes we don't get everything we want in the newspaper ,
but we can k ep on trying.
With grateful acknowledgement, I am
Sincer ly,
Ivan All n, Jr.
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              <text>June 10, 1966

Mr, R. J. Butler, Secretary

Atlanta Georgia Labor Council, AFL-CIO
250 Tenth Street, N. E.

Atlanta, Georgia

Dear Mr. Butler:

Thank you for your letter of June 9th, and I join with you in
expressing appreciation to Firefighters local union #134 and
to the loyalty of their men who maintained fire service for the
people of Atlanta.

I have repeatedly recognized the International Association of
Firefighters Local # 134 in the news media, and will continue
to express appreciation to them.

Sometimes we don't get everything we want in the newspapers,
but we can keep on trying.

With grateful acknowledgement, I am

Sincerely,

Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor

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                    <text>OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR
DISTRICT 3
FLORIDA
1'ENTUCICY
ALA BAMA
GEORGIA
TENN E SS E E
LOUI S IANA
SOUTH CAROLINA
NORTH CAROLINA
MIS S ISSIPPI
40 PRYOR STR EET, S. W.
ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30303
June 9, 1966
The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor of Atlanta
Georgia
My dear Mayor Allen:
I have been following with great interest the news stories about the crisis
in the Fire Department. I have the greatest respect for the firemen and
other public servants of our great city and strong sympathy for the needs
of the firemen, especially. I have admired you, too, Mr. Mayor for your
demonstrated capacity to lead Atlanta forward and as a citizen feel honor
bound to support you as you exercise the power of your office in meeting
the responsibilities of your leadership.
What the papers say about your position with the firemen, however, I find
almost unbelievable and certainly unsupportable. These firemen have left
jobs which they have found to be intolerable. Based on present day standards of pay and working hours, I fully agree with them that their conditions
are appalling. I think you would, too, if you had to be a fireman for a few
days. Now comes our honorable Mayor and a judge who doesn't even bother to
hear both sides and says to these men, "You will be forced under penalty of
prison to work for us." Not for me, Mr. Mayor, nor for any other thoughtful ,
freedom- loving citizen of this city. I repudiate the very thought.
I am a proper ty owner and a long time citizen of Atlanta and I would r ather
see the whole city burned to the ground than to fo rce ~ single citizen into
i nvoluntar y ser vitude fo r my convenience. Think , Mr. Mayor! You are proposing t o make slaves of these men . They are free citizens, Mr. Mayor , no t
subject unde r any circumstances to work against their wishes for any man.
I don' t know the details of your negotiations with these men. I know fr om my
own experience in colle ctive barga ining that i t is almos t i mp oss ible t o ge t
the full flavor of a l abo r di spute i n t o the pub li c print s . I . recognize that
men pushed beyond endur ance can sometimes be exasperating , But it app ears,
Mr. Mayor, that you would not even meet with the se men until after their
frustration had driven them from their jobs and t hen only to threaten them
with slavery, May I respectfully s ugge s t that a more moderate, concilliatory
and sympathetic approach on your part could have prevented this crisis and
�The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.
June 9, 1966
Page Two.
could still cure it. These men obviously have a real grievance against the
city -- that means me, as a citizen and you, Mr. Mayor, as my spokesman and
representative. No self-respecting· man so situated could react any way
except with resentment and rebellion to the insulting repudiation of their
long-standing efforts to achieve some relief .
As a full and complete solution to this problem, Mr , Mayor , I commend to
you and the Board of Aldermen the full and complete implementation of the
Golden Rule, Slavery and the bull whip may seem desirable to you at the
moment but it is not an acceptable policy in America, even under the most
pressing provocation.
Very truly yours ,
JJ~
f/4&amp;1
George E~
ll
Distri ct Director
GEG / mfw
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              <text>Communications

 

OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR

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DISTRICT 3 iCWA ;
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FLORIDA Kentucky ALABAMA a Workers O America
GEORGIA TENNESSEE LovIsIANA ==,
Soutn CaRoLtrna NortTH Carolina MISSISSIPPI |

40 PRYOR STREET, S. W. Bm 5
ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30303

June 9, 1966

The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor of Atlanta
Georgia

My dear Mayor Allen:

I have been following with great interest the news stories about the crisis
in the Fire Department. I have the greatest respect for the firemen and
other public servants of our great city and strong sympathy for the needs
of the firemen, especially, I have admired you, too, Mr. Mayor for your
demonstrated capacity to lead Atlanta forward and as a citizen feel honor
bound to support you as you exercise the power of your office in meeting
the responsibilities of your leadership.

What the papers say about your position with the firemen, however, I find
almost unbelievable and certainly unsupportable, These firemen have left
jobs which they have found to be intolerable, Based on present day stand-
ards of pay and working hours, I fully agree with them that their conditions
are appalling, I think you would, too, if you had to be a fireman for a few
days. Now comes our honorable Mayor and a judge who doesn't even bother to
hear both sides and says to these men, "You will be forced under penalty of
prison to work for us." Not for me, Mr. Mayor, nor for any other thoughtful,
freedom-loving citizen of this city. I repudiate the very thought,

I am a property owner and a long time citizen of Atlanta and I would rather
see the whole city burned to the ground than to force one single citizen into
involuntary servitude for my convenience. Think, Mr. Mayor! You are propos-
ing to make slaves of these men. They are free citizens, Mr, Mayor, not
subject under any circumstances to work against their wishes for any man,

I don't know the details of your negotiations with these men, I know from my
own experience in collective bargaining that it is almost impossible to get
the full flavor of a labor dispute into the public prints. I recognize that
men pushed beyond endurance can sometimes be exasperating, But it appears,
Mr, Mayor, that you would not even meet with these men until after their
frustration had driven them from their jobs and then only to threaten them
with slavery, May I respectfully suggest that a more moderate, concilliatory
and sympathetic approach on your part could have prevented this crisis and
The Honorable Ivan Allen, Jr,
June 9, 1966
Page Two,

could still cure it, These men obviously have a real grievance against the
city -- that means me, as a citizen and you, Mr. Mayor, as my spokesman and
representative. No self-respecting man so situated could react any way
except with resentment and rebellion to the insulting repudiation of their
long-standing efforts to achieve some relief.

As a full and complete solution to this problem, Mr. Mayor, I commend to

you and the Board of Aldermen the full and complete implementation of the
Golden Rule, Slavery and the bull whip may seem desirable to you at the

moment but it is not an acceptable policy in America, even under the most
pressing provocation.

Very truly yours,

George EY’ Gill
District Director

GEG /mfiw
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June 10, 1966
M r. George Eo Gill
District Director
Communications Workers of America
4 0 Pryor Stre.et, S. W .
Atlanta, Georgia
Dear M r. Gill:
I appreciate your thoughtfulness in writing me during the trying
circumstances involved in our recent firemen' problems. I am
a great cham.pion of organized labor and the right of coll ctive
bargining. I have publicly stated this on many occasions, and
carried out my b liefs in every po sible instance.
My whole background and training has been a development of the
principle that the w lfare of the public as a whol cannot b put
in jeopardy under any circumstances. In my opinion, the protective services of a city mu t accept their re ponsibility. T hi
responsibility cannot xce pt the right to put ~1e public in jeopardy.
I can assure you that I a m fair nd rea onable.
Since:rely,
Ivan A ll n, Jr.
May or
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              <text>ep ee

June 10, 1966

Mr. George E, Gill

District Director

Communications Workers of America
40 Pryor Street, S. W.

Atlanta, Georgia

Dear Mr, Gill:

I appreciate your thoughtfulness in writing me during the trying
circumstances involved in our recent firemen's problems. Iam
a great champion of organized labor and the right of collective
bargining. I have publicly stated this on many occasions, and
carried out my beliefs in every possible instance.

My whole background and training has been a development of the
principle that the welfare of the public as a whole cannot be put

in jeopardy under any circumstances. In my opinion, the pro-
tective services of a city must accept their responsibility. This
responsibility cannot except the right to put tie public in jeopardy.
I can assure you that I am fair and reasonable.

Sincerely,

Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor

IAJr:am

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RESOLUTION
Atlanta Local 3204 communications Workers of America in the
general membership- meeting September 6, 1966 unanim~usly states
the following:
WHEREAS:
The Atlanta, Georgia Firemen are underpaid and
work vixty (60) hours per week and:
WHEREAS:
For an untold number of months these Firemen and
the AFL-CIO Local to which they belonged negotiated fruitlessly
with Mayor Ivan ~llen ..and the Board of Firemasters and;
WHEREAS:
These Atlanta Firemen formed an independent
union to correct these unreasonable working conditions and:
WHEREAS:
The dispute was submitted by both parties to Dr.
Edwin Harrison, President of Georgia Institute of Technology and:
WHEREAS:
The recommendations of Dr. Harrison were turned
down by Mayor Allen and the Board of Firemasters: those
recommendations being, an immediate increase in wages or a
reduction in hour s and;
WHEREAS:
Local 3204 CWA conside rs the City's action and
that by the Board of Fi remasters as unreasonable and in utter
disregard of the well -being of Atlanta Fireman and their families :
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that; Local 3204 Communi cations
Workers of America advises all people that it supports the Atlanta
Fire Fighters Union Independent in its demand for reasonable pay
and in its strike against the City of Atlanta.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that; this resolution be mailed to all
c ity officials; Georgia Congressmen; Senators: George Meany,
AFL-CIO President: J o Ao Beirne, President of CWA1 and Captain
J. I. Martin, President of Atlanta Fir e Fighter s Union I nde-
pendent.
/'
a ~~
LAWSON A. SEWELL, President
Local 3204, c. w. A.
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              <text>RESOLUTION

Atlanta Local 3204 Communications Workers of America in the
general membership meeting September 6, 1966 unanimously states
the following:

WHEREAS: The Atlanta, Georgia Firemen are underpaid and
work Bixty (60) hours per week and;

WHEREAS: For an untold number of months these Firemen and
the AFL-CIO Local to which they belonged negotiated fruitlessly
with Mayor Ivan Allen.and the Board of Firemasters and;

WHEREAS: These Atlanta Firemen formed an independent
Union to correct these unreasonable working conditions and;

WHEREAS: The dispute was submitted by both parties to Dr.
Edwin Harrison, President of Georgia Institute of Technology and;

WHEREAS: The recommendations of Dr. Harrison were turned
down by Mayor Allen and the Board of Firemasters; those
recommendations being, an Lgnediete ancredee in wages or a
reduction in hours and;

WHEREAS: Local 3204 CWA considers the City's action and
that by the Board of Firemasters as unreasonable and in utter
disregard of the well-being of Atlanta Fireman and their families;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that; Local 3204 Communications
Workers of America advises all people that it supports the Atlanta
Fire Fighters Union Independent in its demand for reasonable pay
and in its strike against the City of Atlanta.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that; this resolution be mailed to all
city officials; Georgia Congressmen; Senators; George Meany,
AFL-CIO President; J. A. Beirne, President of CWA; and Captain
J. I. Martin, President of Atlanta Fire Fighters Union Inde-

pendent.

i he Ziow Ce ALS f rb

LAWSON A. SEWELL, President
Local 3204, C. W. A.

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September 9. 1966
Mr . Law on A . S well
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Communication Wor
Henry Gr dy Building
Atlanta, Georgi
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Dear M r . Sew 11:
1 min receipt of your resolution from L oe l 3204. Knowing
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              <text>ee WDE 4 rs Fey Mar 4
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September 9, 1966

Mr, Lawson A, Sewell

President, Local 3204
Communications Workers of America
Henry Grady Building

Atlanta, Georgia

Dear Mr. Sewell:

lam in receipt of your resolution from Local 3204. Knowing
of the high standing of your organization, I am sure you will
want to correct the mis-statement in the fifth paragraph of
your resolution.

lam enclosing a copy of the Harrison Report, which did not
recommend immediate increase in wages or a reduction of
hours. To the contrary, the recommendation says January 1,
1967.,

The Harrison report was turned down unequivocally by the
independent union without any discussions with the city.

Sincerely,

Ivan Allen, Jr.
Mayor

IASr:am
Enclosure

 
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FULTON
coum·y
RESOLUTION
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WHERE~S, The City of Atlant~ has been unable to resolve its
dis-
pute with the 600 members of the Atlanta Firefighters Union Inde pendent
over wages, hours and working conditions, and
HHEREAS, the federal laws pertaining to mediation and conciliation
ar e not applicable to such a dispute, and
WHEREAS, since said disput e has not been r e solved some 600 f ir emen stopped work on September 2, 1966 and refused to continue to work
under their existing wages, hour s and wor~ing conditions, and
WHEREAS,
the fa ilur e to resolve t h i s disput e between the par t ies
has resulted in a continuing work stoppage which endangers the life , limb
a nd pr oper ty of every re sident of th i s City .
NOW, THEREFORE , BE IT RESOLVED tha t this body go on re cor d as
urging and suggest ing both the City of Atlanta a nd the Atlanta Fi refight e rs Union Independent to s ettl e t his d isput e ba s ed on the impartial mediation report of Dr. 'Eawin Harrison , President of Georgia
Tech Universi ty, and with c er tain other guarante e s to the members of
the Atlanta Firefighters Union, which are:
1. The fir emen having elected to exercise Option II of the
Har ris on report which grants them a 7 .14 percent incr ease in salary,
the Harrison increase to be in addition to any other increases received
by other City emp loyees on January 1, 1967.
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2. As suggested by the Harrison report, the legality of an
immediate increase to the firemen be either arbitrated or adjudicated
in a court of competent jurisdiction.
If the legal point be resolved
against the City, then the firemen to receive the 7.14 increase
recommended by Dr. Harrison retroactive to September 1, 1966.
3. That an impartial grievance and promotional committee be
forthwith negotiated between these parties.
4. That all firemen who are participating in the present work
stoppage be forthwith reinstated with full seniority and all other
employee benefits.
5. That all firemen be reinstated without recriminations or discrimination of any kind or any disciplinary action.
The City to
agree not to favor a striking fireman over a non-striking fireman on
account of such fireman's union activity or lack of it in promotions
or any other employer-employee relations.
6. In order to avoid future misunde rstandings by these parties,
the foregoing should be in contract form, by way of written resolution,
letter o f intent or written agreement binding on both parties.
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FULTON COUNTY

_RESOLUTION_

WHERLAS, The City of Atlanta has been unable to resolve its dis-
pute with the 600 members of the atlanta Firefighters Union Independent
over wages, hours and working conditions, and

WHEREAS, the federal laws pertaining to mediation and conciliation
are not applicable to such a dispute, and

WHEREAS, since said dispute has not been resolved some 600 fire-
men stopped work on September 2, 1966 and refused to continue to work
under their existing wages, hours and working conditions, and

WHEREAS, the failure to resolve this dispute between the parties
has resulted in a continuing work stoppage which endangers the life, limb
and property of every resident of this City.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that this body go on record as
urging and suggesting both the City of Atlanta and the Atlanta Fire-
fighters Union Independent to settle this dispute based on the im-
partial mediation report of Dr. ‘idwin Harrison, President of Georgia
Tech University, and with certain other guarantees to the members of
the Atlanta Firefighters Union, which are:

1. The firemen having elected to exercise Option II of the
Harrison report which grants them a 7,14 percent increase in salary,
the Harrison increase to be in addition to any other increases received

by other City employees on January 1, 1967.
2. As suggested by the Harrison report, the legality of an
immediate increase to the firemen be either arbitrated or adjudicated
in a court of competent jurisdiction. If the legal point be resolved
against the City, then the firemen to receive the 7.14 increase
recommended by Dr. Harrison retroactive to September 1, 1966.

3. That an impartial grievance and promotional committee be
forthwith negotiated between these parties.

4, That all firemen who are participating in the present work
stoppage be forthwith reinstated with full seniority and all other
employee benefits.

5. That all firemen be reinstated without recriminations or dis-
crimination of any kind or any disciplinary action. The City to
agree not to favor a striking fireman over a non-striking fireman on
account of such fireman's union activity or lack of it in promotions
or any other employer-employee relations.

6. In order to avoid future misunderstandings by these parties,
the foregoing should be in contract form, by way of written resolution,

letter of intent or written agreement binding on both parties.
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                    <text>AT AN A
RFG TR UNION, INC.
R , J. CAUM
ROBERT L. MITCHELL
J . I. M A RT IN
SECRETARY
BU S IN ES S AG E NT
PR ES IDE N T
J . F. BENNETT
L . G . ST Y R ON
TR EAS URER
V ICE PRE S ID EN T
701 WILLIAM•OLIVER BUILDING
ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30303
\\
September, 1966
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
The City of Atlanta refused to accept the recommendations of mediator,
Tech President, Edwin Harrison, and will not talk to firemen.
President:- lfarrison heard from both sides, investigated the problem and
c ame up with these major re-c=non&lt;lations-:
Increase the firemen's pay about 7% (this would cost the City
$400,000)
OR
Reduce their work week from 60 to 56 hours a week (This would
cost the City $40Q.OOO) effective January 1, 1967.
The mediator said the firemen should be given the choice of either
the increase in pay or the reduction in hours. Firemen accepted the
increase in pay.
The reduction in our original proposal to 48 hours would be worthwhile.
The 7.14% increase in pay to be in addition to any FUTURE General
pay raises which all City employees may receive.
The enclosed resolution, when approved by the Mayor and Aldermatic
Board, wi ll return fire protection to you and the City of Atlanta.
Jack I. Hartin,
President




. .F. F. U. I.






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              <text>ATLANTA FIREFIGHTERS UNION, INC.

J. 1, MARTIN ROBERT L. MITCHELL R. J. CAUM
PRESIDENT BUSINESS AGENT SECRETARY
L. G. STYRON 25 J. F. BENNETT
ad TREASURER

VICE PRESIDENT
701 WILLIAM-OLIVER BUILDING

ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30303

September, 1966

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

The City of Atlanta refused to accept the recommendations of mediator,
Tech President, Edwin Harrison, and will not talk to firemen.
President Harrison heard from both sides, investigated the problem and
came up with these major recommendations:

Increase the firemen's pay about 7% (this would cost the City
$400 ,000)
OR

Reduce their work week from 60 to 56 hours a week (This would
cost the City $400,000) effective January 1, 1967.

The mediator said the firemen should be given the choice of either
the increase in pay or the reduction in hours. Firemen accepted the
increase in pay.

The reduction in our original proposal to 48 hours would be worthe-
while.

The 7.14% increase in pay to be in addition to any FUTURE General
pay raises which all City employees may receive,

The enclosed resolution, when approved by the Mayor and Aldermatic
Board, will return fire protection to you and the City of Atlanta.

&gt; OS Wiart% se

Jack I, Martin,
President
.PLF.ULI.
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                    <text>TO ALL ATLAIHA CITIZENS
The Fire Department of Atlanta - your Fire Departr;1ent - is making every
effort to give the citizens of Atlanta the best fire protection possible, but
we do need your help,
The prevention of fires while always important i~ particularly important
during this period while new personnel are being trained.
What can you do to help?
You can do many things.
FIRES ARE NOT ACCIDENTS
You can cause or prevent fires!
Use the check lists be 1m·, and good old Arr,eri can common sense
and you may save your JOB--PROPERTY--OR EVEN YOUR LIFE-----
YOUR HOhE
Is all rubbish cleaned out of basements, closets, attic, gara ge and
yard?
Are there any unsafe electrical extension or appliance cords?
Are your fuses the right size?
Is your heating and cooking equipment safe?
Is gasoline for power mower safely stored?
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YOUR BUSil~ESS
Is smoking adequately controlled?
Is wiring and electrical equipment safe?
Is trash and refuse removed daily to a safe place?
Has your heating system been checked ~Ya qualified
that it is safe?
Is guard , caretaker or watchman properly instructed
Is cooking equipment including hoods and ducts kept
Is packing material safely kept?
Are lift trucks refueled only in safe locations?
Is the yard and premises kept free of leaves, scrap
Are paints , flammable liquids and oily rags handled
person to see
and service adequate?
clean?
lumber and de bris?
and stored safely?
YOUR CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS
Are your schools adequately protected against unauthor i zed entry?
Is the hea ting equipment checked annually by a qualifi ed fi rm or emp loyee?
Is the electrical wirinq safe?
Is rubbis h col lected and disposed of i n a safe ma nner so as t o not enda nger
the occupant s or stru ctu r e?
If coo ki ng equ i pme nt is pr ovided, i s you r hood, duct, and stove cleaned
fre qu en t ly?
EVERYBOUY


any fires start shortly after you leave your home or close your business.


Does someone check f or hazards every day at closing time or just
before leaving your home?
Is your wiring safe and are defective extension cords replaced?
Do you make it a practice to not allow unauthorized burning of refuse?
Is trespass guarded against?
Is all fire protection equipment in working order?
Are you careful with smoking and matches?
i~EV ER, l~EVER s:·ioKE IN BED
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              <text>TO ALL ATLANTA CITIZENS

Tne Fire Department of Atlanta - your Fire Department - is making every
effort to give the citizens of Atlanta the best fire protection pcssible, but
we do need your help,

, The prevention of fires while always important is particularly important
during this period while new personnel are being trained,

\Ihat can you do to help? You can do many things,

FIRES ARE NOT ACCIDENTS

 

You can cause or prevent fires!
Use the check lists below and good old Alerican common sense
and you may save your JOB--PROPERTY~-OR EVE YOUR LIFE-----

YOUR HOME
Ts all rubbish cleaned out of basements, closets, attic, garage, and
yard?
Are there any unsafe electrical extension or appliance cords?
Are your fuses the right size?
Is your heating and cooking equipment safe?
Is gasoline for power mower safely stored?

YOUR BUSINESS
Is smoking adequately controlled?
Is wiring and electrical equipment safe?
Is trash and refuse removed daily to a safe place?
Has your heating system been checked by a qualified person to see
that it is safe?
Is guard, caretaker or watchman properly instructed and service adequate?
Is cooking equipment including hoods and ducts kept clean?
Is packing material safely kept?
Are lift trucks refueled only in safe locations?
Is the yard and premises kept free of leaves, scrap lumber and debris?
Are paints, flammable liquids and oily rags handled and stored safely?

YOUR CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS

Are your schools adequately protected against unauthorized entry?

Is the heating equipment checked annually by a qualified firm or employee?

Is the electrical wiring safe?

Is rubbish collected and disposed of in a safe manner so as to not endanger
the occupants or structure?

If cooking equipment is provided, is your hood, duct, and stove cleaned
frequently?

 

EVERYBODY

Many fires start shortly after you leave your home or close your business,
Does someone check for hazards every day at closing time or just
before leaving your home?

Is your wiring safe and are defective extension cords replaced?

Do you make it a practice to not allow unauthorized burning of refuse?

Is trespass guarded against?

Is all fire protection equipment in working order?

Are you careful with smoking and matches?

NEVER, WEVER S’OKE IN BED
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                    <text>---- ---- ------- - -
STATEMENT BY CHIEF C. H. HILDEBRAND
ATLANTA FIRE DEPARTMENT
Friday, September 16, 1966
For Release 11:00 A. M.
\\
The City of Atlanta has in ope ration this morning 25 fully
manned Fire Stations.
The t\ltal personnel in the department has now risen to
357 -- 313 of these employees performing actual firefighting
duties.
Sixty-seven new recruits have been assigned to stations
for in-service training and duty under the leadership of
experienced Firemen and Fire Officers.
We are able to maintain an on-duty shift strength average
of 175 firefighting personnel because of extended work hours
of those Firemen who have remained on the job.
Our attempts to recruit new men to rebuild the Fire
.
Department have been extremely successful.
Since Labor
Day the City Personnel Department has examined 327 applicants .
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140 of these have passed the written examination and are being
processed for in-service training and firefighting duties immediately.
The Personnel Department is making plans to conduct a
recruiting campaign throughout the Southeast and through the
employment of new personnel and the extende d work hours of
our experienced personnel, we should be able to place the
-r~o ""o.b le_
remaining unmanned stations in operation within a- v~ry ahoM
period of time.
The Personnel Office at 260 Central Avenue, S. W. is
remaining open until 7:30 p. m. Monday through Friday and
until noon on Saturdays to receive and process firefighters
applications.
I am re questing all the citize ns of Atlanta to practice good
fire prevention measures in their homes, businesses, churches
and schools.
A check-off list is being released to the news media
for s e lf-inspection of your premis es which, if conscientiously
adhered to, can prevent fires and preserve property.
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STATEMENT BY CHIEF C, H, HILDEBRAND
ATLANTA FIRE DEPARTMENT

Friday, September 16, 1966

For Release 11:00 A. M.

The City of Atlanta has in operation this morning 25 fully

manned Fire Stations.

The total personnel in the department has now risen to
357 -- 313 of these employees performing actual firefighting

duties.

Sixty-seven new recruits have been assigned to stations
for in-service training and duty under the leadership of

experienced Firemen and Fire Officers.

We are able to maintain an on-duty shift strength average
of 175 firefighting personnel because of extended work hours

of those Firemen who have remained on the job.

Our attempts to recruit new men to rebuild the Fire
Department have been extremely successful. Since Labor

Day the City Personnel Department has examined 327 applicants.
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140 of these have passed the written examination and are being

processed for in-service training and firefighting duties immediately.

The Personnel Department is making plans to conduct a
recruiting campaign throughout the Southeast and through the
employment of new personnel and the extended work hours of
our experienced personnel, we should be able to place the

reaxonoble

remaining unmanned stations in operation within

period of time.

The Personnel Office at 260 Central Avenue, S. W. is
remaining open until 7:30 p.m. Monday through Friday and
until noon on Saturdays to receive and process firefighters

applications.

I am requesting all the citizens of Atlanta to practice good
fire prevention measures in their homes, businesses, churches
and schools. &lt;A check-off list is being released to the news media
for self-inspection of your premises which, if conscientiously

adhered to, can prevent fires and preserve property.
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